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Post by FunkySwerve on Sept 28, 2013 19:53:42 GMT
I believe the 200 limit was brought in to help save on server resources and maybe cut some lag issues which is commendable... That's one reason why we had a limit (lag, not resources, which has a very specific meaning in NWN, and isn't relevant here), yes. It was actually much lower that 200 previously, for another technical reason I'm not going to go into at this point. Still another reason was similar to the one I quoted above - forcing discrimination in what to sell, so as to best make use of limited real estate. There was a point when we had people putting in all kinds of crap, including store-bought stuff, at absurd prices, hoping to catch the unwary. They would also dump stuff like pieces of corn in there, or ssithrak parchments. Very irritated that the limit was removed, though in fairness, some of the halfassery was mine as well, since I never updated the sign when we consolidated the markets, from a limit of 5 to 10... Funky
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Post by Raj on Sept 28, 2013 19:54:49 GMT
Tbh, a lot of hassle could be spared if the wyrm chests looked like normal vendors or guild chests; I'm referring to the armor/weapons/potions/jewelry/misc windows.
Then I'm pretty sure nobody would care much if the market is flooded, as long as examining the items/looking for a particular one isn't as messy as it's now.
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Post by FunkySwerve on Sept 28, 2013 19:56:35 GMT
Tbh, a lot of hassle could be spared if the wyrm chests looked like normal vendors or guild chests; I'm referring to the armor/weapons/potions/jewelry/misc windows. Then I'm pretty sure nobody would care much if the market is flooded, as long as examining the items/looking for a particular one isn't as messy as it's now. And still more, if only the magical underpants gnomes would do all my coding for me. Alas, they continue to refuse. It was implemented the way it was for a reason - many of them, actually. Funky
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2013 20:03:34 GMT
If there is so much stuff being sold that the chest is filling, it would make sense to have multiple chests, maybe a kind of "bazaar" with actual consignment vendors, each putting on consignment a different level of item rare, bur, and well randomized ur's (which honestly can be much much better than most burs). I never event look at who is selling what but I do enjoy the huge variety of items that are always available and I would like to see even more variety. crossed out due to seeing the above posts only after I made mine.
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Post by Mister Pin on Sept 28, 2013 23:36:49 GMT
Arek is right about the selling on 111,. For a while i was selling stuff and tried to use 211 for that purpose. I did have a few "bites" but nothing compared to server 1, and most of the time ended up
pulling my items back out to sell in the armour shop.
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Post by magecat on Sept 29, 2013 3:44:00 GMT
Personally, I think that selling things like Stones of Rebirth (a static drop anyone can get to within a week of joining) instead of telling people where to find them is not helping them so much as taking advantage of their ignorance.
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Post by hfb on Sept 29, 2013 3:51:40 GMT
I too am sad to see it closed. The markets, black and otherwise, have really helped me and several players of my acquaintance.
Mad props for all your efforts Bad. Cheers to you.
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Post by Torin on Sept 29, 2013 6:36:13 GMT
Is that drama necessary? I'dont things so. Instead of removing everything just put 20 in or suggest another cap. Right now the market is at #Items = 59. I KE joins the drama mode, then far less (20?).
It helps HG a lot (and I have stated the many times before) that items are available in the market. It only must prevented that the market is blocked because the chest is full.
Maybe try cap 50?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2013 9:28:10 GMT
Personally, I think that selling things like Stones of Rebirth (a static drop anyone can get to within a week of joining) instead of telling people where to find them is not helping them so much as taking advantage of their ignorance. Things like sheaths of stealth, jade teeth, level 35 weapons.. all of that, I love buying it, I hate having to farm it. Often because it is easier to just run through the first 20 maps from town to the underdark, or use a jade tooth, easier to buy that lvl 35 weapon and trade it in for the lev ring because maybe I used a sapphire to get to 30 something and so on.
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Post by Bad on Sept 29, 2013 17:58:35 GMT
Personally, I think that selling things like Stones of Rebirth (a static drop anyone can get to within a week of joining) instead of telling people where to find them is not helping them so much as taking advantage of their ignorance. FYI Chystoph, 100% of the stones of rebirth were purchased by vets who regularly farm Hades and I presume just wanted to grab and go. And as far as taking advantage of players lol; as I recall I wound up just giving you a caster shield that you had been shouting for in bazaar for days for nothing.
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Post by halo27 on Sept 29, 2013 21:33:06 GMT
where's the love Bad? I have been shouting for weeks for a Divine Chorus and no free love for Halo!
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Post by Paradoom on Sept 29, 2013 21:46:33 GMT
lawl
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Post by magecat on Oct 1, 2013 3:05:03 GMT
Personally, I think that selling things like Stones of Rebirth (a static drop anyone can get to within a week of joining) instead of telling people where to find them is not helping them so much as taking advantage of their ignorance. FYI Chystoph, 100% of the stones of rebirth were purchased by vets who regularly farm Hades and I presume just wanted to grab and go. And as far as taking advantage of players lol; as I recall I wound up just giving you a caster shield that you had been shouting for in bazaar for days for nothing. I concede your point, but I would point out that it is a weak defense for all of the other items like the plethora of Sheaths of Stealth which adhere to the same arguments I put forth on the Stones. As to the shield, you can have it back if you like. You're right, I had been yelling for it for days since I wanted one that was better than what I had (it wasn't, btw). Of course, if you want to go that route, you should also mention that I tried to find ANYTHING I had to offer in exchange that you might want including various LL or Hells weapons you wanted in exchange for an epic level shield.
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Post by FunkySwerve on Oct 1, 2013 3:38:30 GMT
FYI Chystoph, 100% of the stones of rebirth were purchased by vets who regularly farm Hades and I presume just wanted to grab and go. And as far as taking advantage of players lol; as I recall I wound up just giving you a caster shield that you had been shouting for in bazaar for days for nothing. I concede your point, but I would point out that it is a weak defense for all of the other items like the plethora of Sheaths of Stealth which adhere to the same arguments I put forth on the Stones. Bad doesn't really need a defense. He's putting things up for sale and people are buying them. Your criticism of his behavior implicitly assumes that information - in this case, knowledge of where to find the items in question - is free. While this is a common misconception, it just isn't the case. Finding these items has an opportunity cost associated with it; never mind the actual time spent running and fetching said item even if you do know where it is. You might not want to pay the prices he's charging, but many people clearly do. This isn't 'taking advantage' of them, it's merely monetizing that time cost and offering them a choice. The fact that you would not pay as much as some of these people doesn't even indicate that they're getting a bad deal - their tastes and preferences may vary from your own. Of course, people aren't always rational, which is why we HAVE added some 'stoopid checks' to what can be sold - don't misread this as a wholehearted defense of free market econ - I'm a well-regulated market kind of guy. Fortunately, however, our markets are already proof against a lot of the things that require regulation in the real world - like insider trading. Funky
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Post by magecat on Oct 1, 2013 13:37:05 GMT
Bad doesn't really need a defense. He's putting things up for sale and people are buying them. Your criticism of his behavior implicitly assumes that information - in this case, knowledge of where to find the items in question - is free. While this is a common misconception, it just isn't the case. Finding these items has an opportunity cost associated with it; never mind the actual time spent running and fetching said item even if you do know where it is. Of course, people aren't always rational, which is why we HAVE added some 'stoopid checks' to what can be sold - don't misread this as a wholehearted defense of free market econ - I'm a well-regulated market kind of guy. Fortunately, however, our markets are already proof against a lot of the things that require regulation in the real world - like insider trading. Funky Instead of assuming that I subscribe to malicious motives and freeloading, you might consider that providing those early "secrets" to new players gratis encourages them to hang around by taking the time to invest in them.After all, we have an entire channel in game devorted to the concept. Guru-ism tends to make them leave because it is percieved as arrogance and exclusionary behavior. Additionally, this ties into recent arguments regarding capability because, if they don't have the gear and they cannot yet afford to purchase it, the "newbies" end up riding the coat tails of the established players. Sheath of Stealth is an early buff for many characters, empowering them to perform better without relying on someone else. It is one such example. Yes, you can argue that a "gimme" mentality could develop from this, but I am not suggesting that every secret be provided to every new player.
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