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Post by mongoose2 on Feb 12, 2016 17:21:04 GMT
mongoose2 - why are you posting? There are better places for honing your understanding of social behaviour. You already declared you have no intention of posting any solutions, so... why? In truth I have solutions for every problem your server has. That is true. However your reaction alone is enough to make me totally uninterested in posting those solutions. You made it quite clear that "you" are happy with how things are, and let me know quite clearly to "go away." Would you endeavor to help under those circumstances? I don't think so.
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Post by mongoose2 on Feb 12, 2016 17:24:07 GMT
In my opinion, personal experience is certainly more valuable than some sociology theory that may or may not be misapplied or totally off base. Theory in science is more or less fact. We don't use the word theory in the same way as a layman would. Heard of the "theory" of gravity? Germ theory? Those are theories, as are the social "theories" I have spoken of. I am not speaking of things in the layman sense.
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Post by desocupado on Feb 12, 2016 17:24:52 GMT
LoL. You basically said everything I said in my posts both here, and in Moes, yet you are not being flamed. I guess using the press as a tool to smear someone, and then later retracting it on page 12 works. You can accuse someone of being someone else nobody likes, be wrong, and then get away with it because people missed the retraction, or just didn't care. I just expressed my opinion and made a constructive suggestion. Some people disagree on me but that won't bother me as much.
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Post by mongoose2 on Feb 12, 2016 17:28:46 GMT
There has been an increase in activity this winter. Tough the Vets playing HC seems to have stopped. But the end game tagging system is not viable with the current activity. I have no idea what you mean by this. The server has been very active lately, but it is the players themselves who are choosing to use Level 70+ toons to spam the same effortless DB/Thids/Tia/PoM runs, with the occasional Dis/Min thrown into the mix. The fact that people seem frightened to enter anything deeper has nothing to do with the tagging system, and everything to do with players insisting on playing/tagging their worthless classes instead of cores, combined with not taking advantage of the wealth of resources on the Wiki/Forums to improve their own playing ability (all on top of classic vets who won't learn syndrome, where so called 'veterans' refuse to admit there is still stuff for them to learn - hint: EVERYONE has room to improve). You are on of those players that is perfectly happy with the way things are, so you simply do not see the problems. I will say that in my opinion you seem to be in denial. No offense intended.
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Post by mongoose2 on Feb 12, 2016 17:34:30 GMT
LoL. You basically said everything I said in my posts both here, and in Moes, yet you are not being flamed. I guess using the press as a tool to smear someone, and then later retracting it on page 12 works. You can accuse someone of being someone else nobody likes, be wrong, and then get away with it because people missed the retraction, or just didn't care. I just expressed my opinion and made a constructive suggestion. Some people disagree on me but that won't bother me as much. If you read my posts in this thread I also posted mine in a constructive way. However some people objected to the content of my thread, not the manner in which is was written. Instead of offering counter arguments they decided to do a little smearing, and follow it up with a lot of negative, trolling posts. By the time is became clear that of course I was not some other guy they didn't like it had already been made clear by their own actions, which were no longer justified, that it was OK to troll this person. Especially since the administration did not step in and correct those that posted the smears in the first place by saying "Yes he does live in France, you were mistaken." That alone would have shut the trolling down. Not doing that was more or less tacit approval. I have seen a lot of that very selective choosing of when and where to put there 2 cents in when speaking of the administration here. They seem to follow the whims of the "mob" for lack of a better word, and only seem to intervene when it isn't to counter that mobs negativity. By the way that isn't a very good way to get old players to come back, and it was those responses that soured me to the server, and made the decision for me.
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Post by mongoose2 on Feb 12, 2016 17:36:43 GMT
Need more cores, i dont enjoy playing multiple cores at once... but i have to a fair amount of the time. Positively, a good amount of players have been playing with me in the past week or two i started normal mode. Sorry Matt but I think you are fooling yourself, and saying what you, and others want to hear. That is my take.
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Post by FunkySwerve on Feb 12, 2016 17:43:21 GMT
LoL. You basically said everything I said in my posts both here, and in Moes, yet you are not being flamed. I guess using the press as a tool to smear someone, and then later retracting it on page 12 works. You can accuse someone of being someone else nobody likes, be wrong, and then get away with it because people missed the retraction, or just didn't care. Let's examine that for a moment. Either 'they' are all out to get you (persecution complex), or you are doing something different that provokes a different response. Have you noticed how much you talk about yourself in your posts, and how little about anything else? Might want to dwell on that. Now that I finally have a little free time, I can pay a little more attention to the boards. That does not mean, however, that I am willing to burn it by continuing to use the kid gloves with you. Expect more moderation of the boards, and less patience from here on out. Funky
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Post by desocupado on Feb 12, 2016 17:51:59 GMT
I'm not a developer, I haven't hired the development team. I can't force any suggestion nor can you.
If you look at the forums I suggested a lot. But that's it. I can only suggest. I know this isn't my game and I can't modify it.
Just a heads up, if you have to type "you" on a forum there's probably something wrong in your post. What is at hand here is discussing ideas, not the people.
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I could go talking about the things I don't enjoy (there are lots actually)
But that's a personal opinion. some people might enjoy some of this stuff. And even I enjoyed some of them at some point.
//Incidentally asking what kind of thing each person doesn't enjoy could make a good pool.
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Post by mongoose2 on Feb 12, 2016 17:54:37 GMT
LoL. You basically said everything I said in my posts both here, and in Moes, yet you are not being flamed. I guess using the press as a tool to smear someone, and then later retracting it on page 12 works. You can accuse someone of being someone else nobody likes, be wrong, and then get away with it because people missed the retraction, or just didn't care. Let's examine that for a moment. Either 'they' are all out to get you (persecution complex), or you are doing something different that provokes a different response. Have you noticed how much you talk about yourself in your posts, and how little about anything else? Might want to dwell on that. Now that I finally have a little free time, I can pay a little more attention to the boards. That does not mean, however, that I am willing to burn it by continuing to use the kid gloves with you. Expect more moderation of the boards, and less patience from here on out. Funky Are you a licensed Therapist? Enough said in that regard. No, I have not noticed how much I talk about myself, because I don't. I already let you and everyone else know why this has happened. You, the moderator, fail to intercede unless it pleases the mob. The mob speaks, you answer. otherwise you don't say anything, even when some others are mistaken. Did you happen to let everyone know they were wrong about who I was? No you did not. This is exactly what I was talking about. There is far too much consideration given to the haves, and far too little given to the have nots. Your obvious threats mean nothing to me. I don't play your game, and if you check the last time I posted on this forum it was a while back. I can live without you, and I'm sure you can live without me. However, your server won't survive. If you were to accept advice from outside sources, meaning those not already members, haves, and long time players of your game you might fix the problems. I don't think you will though so I'll take my leave. By the way, you might want to think about welcoming, and encouraging different views, instead of tacitly approving flaming, trolling, and other such undesirable behavior by the haves that you seek to placate at the expense of new players. I think you see how well that is going by looking at your servers numbers. It isn't going very well. Had you stepped in earlier and corrected that player or two that stopped to slinging mud, and showed some character that would have went a long way. Remain in denial. Doesn't matter to me, at least not anymore. Have a good day.
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Post by Matt on Feb 12, 2016 18:02:48 GMT
I hear the BAN HAMMER being dropped in the not too distant future.
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Post by FunkySwerve on Feb 12, 2016 18:07:21 GMT
But the server wont' survive without him!
Also, yeah.
Funky
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Post by Twilight Semner on Feb 12, 2016 18:17:35 GMT
No, I have not noticed how much I talk about myself, because I don't. I already let you and everyone else know why this has happened. You, the moderator, fail to intercede unless it pleases the mob. The mob speaks, you answer. otherwise you don't say anything, even when some others are mistaken. Did you happen to let everyone know they were wrong about who I was? No you did not. This is exactly what I was talking about. There is far too much consideration given to the haves, and far too little given to the have nots. Your obvious threats mean nothing to me. I don't play your game, and if you check the last time I posted on this forum it was a while back. I can live without you, and I'm sure you can live without me. However, your server won't survive. If you were to accept advice from outside sources, meaning those not already members, haves, and long time players of your game you might fix the problems. I don't think you will though so I'll take my leave. By the way, you might want to think about welcoming, and encouraging different views, instead of tacitly approving flaming, trolling, and other such undesirable behavior by the haves that you seek to placate at the expense of new players. I think you see how well that is going by looking at your servers numbers. It isn't going very well. Had you stepped in earlier and corrected that player or two that stopped to slinging mud, and showed some character that would have went a long way. Remain in denial. Doesn't matter to me, at least not anymore. Have a good day.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2020 22:19:12 GMT
The first few pages of this thread are gold.
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Post by woqued on Oct 2, 2020 8:25:30 GMT
The first few pages of this thread are gold. Ok. Why would you necro this? It should've been locked at page 1 final post.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2020 12:23:46 GMT
Similar complaints have been made recently. And a lot of meaningful replies were made in the thread prior to the mongoose stuff. In this original thread in the first several pages there are a few very valuable lessons:
1) Just talk to people. Seriously just talk to them. Someone mentioned people hating other people without having even actually talked to them I am guilty of that myself.
2) Players complaining about not getting runs, or runs not being shouted (a lot less frequently for unshouted) and this thread helps speak to the “why” behind those things, from several different perspectives. I have been on both sides of this.
3) There exists a much larger and broader player base than HG has had in years. I think it’s worthwhile for those who truly seek to make this “their” game to understand how some of the things play together. Ultimately Ray joined UT. It speaks to the evolution of things when players explore and seek to understand points 1 and 2 like she did.
There’s a lot of opportunity for individual growth from this and while there’s also drama. There really is gold in here for people wanting to make this game their home and especially being a few years out from it, it really shines a light on just where things can go. I think it was a very fantastic spotlight of the beauty of HG.
There was no troll here, no malice, no finger pointing. Players who wouldn’t stick around anyway will read it and be like WTF. Those who have interacted with HG in its many facets and factions will see how it relates to now and gain from it. And quite honestly just stumbled upon it and some of the Raj and Pin back and forth is pure money and I was literally laughing out loud at it. Worth the share.
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