Post by jelricle on Oct 7, 2023 19:07:07 GMT
All,
Okay, I finally finished my demi run and will be reincarnating with my take on the "picky shifter".
Goal when shackled to lvl 40:
- Max Shifter ability DCs, modulus (minus) one class and polymorph level from rogue splash
- 127 Rogue skills (DT, OL and Srch)
- minimize squishiness as much as possible, so long as those two goals are met
Credit goes to tomaan for the name: highergroundpoa.proboards.com/thread/26215/picky-shifter-sh49-d9-r2?page=1&scrollTo=239506I
Notes:
This is a reincarnation build. When allocating skills and feats, I am taking advantage of:
- Ignoring playability, pre-lvl 80 (Although I originally reached 60 on a very similar build)
- My Sidhe sub-race
- I do not worry about XP penalty (which leaves me at level 78 after reincarnation, so you want the lvl 62 ability to be STR, DEX or INT)
- Being level 80 and double demi for the extra 6 ability points (giving +3 points in all skills)
- Owning lvl 40 capped skill focus items for DT, OL and Srch (Are there lvl 40 items with ESF OL, DT or Srch?)
- Owning a Construct, Outsider or Dragon epode
- Owning a Wondrous tome of Spell Penetration
- Having the WIS artifact
Race: Elf/Sidhe (For able learner)
Starting abilities: Value On Start Screen/Value After Subrace boost
- STR: 8/8: (0 points, cost 0) -- 0 from points + 0 from Sidhe
- DEX: 12/14: (add 2 points, cost 2) -- 2 from points + 2 from elf + 2 from Sidhe
- CON: 8/10: (add 2 points, cost 2) -- 2 from points - 2 from elf + 2 from Sidhe
- INT: 16/16: (add 8 points for a cost of 10) -- 8 from points + 0 from Sidhe
- WIS: 18/24 (add 10 points for a cost of 16; basically, since Druid forces 3 into WIS, add 7 more points) -- 10 from points + 6 from Sidhe
- CHA: 8/8 (o points, cost 0) -- 0 from points + 0 from Sidhe
Levels:
- Class: 10 Druid/69 Shifter/1 Rogue
- All ability bumps go to Wisdom
1 Druid
- Skills:
* 1 Open Lock if you do not have a Skill Focus:Open Lock item (cross class, so 2 points paid)
* 1 Disable Trap if you do not have a Skill Focus:Disable Trap item (cross class, so 2 points paid)
* Otherwise 0
- Feats:
* Built in feats of note:
+ Armor Proficiency (light, medium, shield)
+ Great Wisdom I and II
+ Hardiness vs. Enchantments
+ Immunity To Sleep
+ Keen Sense (Search mode at all time without changing speed)
+ Low-light Vision
+ Skill Affinities: +2 Listen, Search, Spot)
+ Weapon Proficiency (druid, Elf)
+ Zen Archery (Helps Modron and Kenku forms)
* Chosen feat:
+ Alertness
2 Druid
3 Druid - Chosen feat: Armor Proficiency (heavy)
4 Druid
5 Druid
6 Druid - Chosen feats: Blind-Fight (To save on Listen skill points, later)
7 Druid
8 Druid
9 Druid
- Feats:
* Built in feat of note: Venom Immunity
* Chosen feat:
+ "Skill Focus:Open Lock" if you do not have a lvl 40 SF:OL item
+ "Skill Focus:Disable Trap" if you have an SF:OL item, but no lvl 40 SF:DT item
+ Otherwise, "Great Fortitude"
10 Druid
11 Shifter - Built in feat of note: Greater Wildshape I (wyrmling shape)
12 Shifter
- "Skill Focus:Disable Trap" if you have no SF:OL item and no SF:DT item
- Otherwise, "Lightning reflexes"
13 Shifter - Built in feat of note: Greater Wildshape II
14 Shifter
15 Shifter
- Built in feat of note: Greater Wildshape III
- Chosen feat: Skill Focus (Discipline)
16 Shifter
17 Shifter - Built in feat of note: Humanoid Shape
18 Shifter - Chosen feat: Toughness
19 Shifter
20 Shifter - Built in feat of note: Greater Wildshape IV
21 Shifter - Chosen feat: Construct Shape
22 Shifter
23 Shifter - Chosen feat: Outsider Shape
24 Shifter - Class feat: Undead Shape
25 Shifter
26 Shifter - Class feat: Great Wisdom III
27 Shifter - Chosen feat: Great Wisdom IV
28 Shifter
29 Shifter - Class feat: Great Wisdom V
30 Shifter - Chosen feat: Great Wisdom VI
31 Shifter
32 Shifter - Class feat: Great Wisdom VII
33 Shifter - Chosen feat: Great Wisdom VIII
34 Shifter
35 Shifter - Class feat: Great Wisdom IX
36 Shifter - Chosen feat: Great Wisdom X
37 Shifter
38 Shifter - Class feat: Dragon Form
39 Shifter - Chosen feat: Up to you -- Armor Skin? Epic Fortitude or reflexes? Some other skill focus such as Hide? (epic, if you stick 20 points into the skill in earlier levels)
40 Rogue
- Skills:
* 42 Disable Trap if you do not have a "Skill Focus:Disable Trap" item (since you would have put a point in at lvl 1) otherwise 43
* 42 Open Lock if you do not have a "Skill Focus:Open Lock" item (since you would have put a point in at lvl 1) otherwise 43
* 1 Pick Pocket for fairy spill potion ability
* 43 Search (It is easy to get an embroidered item for "Skill Focus:Search")
* 5 Set Trap for extra +2 in "Disable Trap"
* 40 Tumble
- Built in feats of note:
* Sneak Attack (+1d6)
* Weapon Proficiency (rogue)
42 Chosen Feat: Legendary Form Focus (Wildshape 1)
45 Chosen Feat: Legendary Form Focus (Wildshape 2)
48 Chosen Feat: Legendary Form Focus (Wildshape 3)
51 Chosen Feat: Legendary Form Focus (Construct 1) (Or Dragon if you have Construct Epode)
54 Chosen Feat: Legendary Form Focus (Construct 2) (Or Dragon if you have Construct Epode)
57 Chosen Feat: Legendary Form Focus (Construct 3) (Or Dragon if you have Construct Epode)
60 You will need to use up all cached skill points
- Skills:
* 63 Animal Empathy
* 17 Disable Trap (cross class, so 34 points paid)
* 20 Open Lock (cross class, so 40 points paid)
* 17 Search (cross class, so 34 points paid)
* 46 Hide
+ minus 2 each if you do not have a "SF:OL" and/or "SF:DT" item
+ This should use up your last cached skill point
- Chosen Feat: Legendary Form Focus (Outsider 1) (Or Dragon if you have Outsider Epode)
63 Chosen Feat: Legendary Form Focus (Outsider 2) (Or Dragon if you have Outsider Epode)
66 Chosen Feat: Legendary Form Focus (Outsider 3) (Or Dragon if you have Outsider Epode)
69 Chosen Feat: Legendary Form Focus (Undead 1)
72 Chosen Feat: Paragon Form Focus Wild Shape
75 Chosen Feat: Paragon Form Focus Contruct
78 Chosen Feat: Paragon Form Focus Outsider
80
- Skills:
* 17 Hide (plus 2 each if you do not have a "SF:OL" and/or "SF:DT" item)
* 21 Discipline
+ minus 1 each if you do not have a "SF:OL" and/or "SF:DT" item (Since you would have spent points in them at lvl 1)
+ cross class, so 42 points paid, minus 2 each if you do not have a "SF:OL" and/or "SF:DT" item (due to points you would have spent points in them at lvl 1)
* 1 Concentration (This should use up your last skill point)
Level Notes:
Feel free to rearrange the legendary and paragon form foci, other than legendary Wildshape foci, as desired. Choose one form to have only one foci on lvl 69. Skip one form that you have an epode form, choose three forms for paragon focus (I highly recommend keeping wildshape paragon focus)
Wisdom artifact for +2 WIS and ability to jump up +500 HP
Spell penetration wondrous tome
Results:
1) With no buff or benefit, and in my non shifted form, saves are:
- Fort: 41 (37 if you needed SF:OL or SF:DT instead of great fortitude at lvl 9 because you have no item with that feat)
- Ref: 37 (33 if you needed SF:DT at lvl 12 because you had no item with that feat)
- Will: 54
(add up to 20 to each for skill bonus equipment. Add up to 6-8 for ability bonus equipment. Forms give large boosts to Fort and Ref)
2) Primary form DCs when naked are:
- Medusa Stone Gaze (fort): 55
- Pixie spill potion (vs spot): 75
- Harpy Curse: -2 to -3 to saves
- Basilisk death gaze (fort): 54
- Minotaur maze (Will): 57
- Wyvern snatch (Ref): 53
- Drider Web (Ref): 50
- Dire Tiger knockdown: 70 AB touch attack with no weapon buffs (ignores armor, shield and natural AC. AB increases for each +1 from weapon or magic)
- Gelatinous cube disarm (ref): 67 AB touch attack with no weapon buffs. 53 DC
- Beholder:
* Dispel Magic cone (will): 56
* Cold and negative ray 82 AB touch attack with no weapon buffs (ignores armor, shield and natural AC. AB increases for each +1 from weapon or magic)
- Mindflayer Stun cone (will/mind): 57
- Manticore Spikes: 46 AB touch attack with no weapon buffs (ignores armor, shield and natural AC. AB increases for each +1 from weapon or magic)
- Azer Chief:
* Fire Pulse (Ref/fire): 53
* Fire Stream: 55
- Rakshasa: Thunderclap (ref and fort/sonic): 55
- Death Slaad spittles: Both AB 82 touch
- Modron:
* Paralysis trap (will): 50
* Pulse trap (ref): 53
- Marut:
* chain (ref): 53
* electric pulse (ref/lightning): 53
- Iron Golem poison breath (fort/poison): 53
- Crystal prismatic Spray (ref/positive): 55
- Stone Golem Rocks (ref): 54
- Spectre Drain (fort/negative): 76 AB touch, 46 DC
- Baelnorn:
* finger of death (fort/positive): 46
* sunburst (ref/positive): 47
- Banshee:
* Sonic howl (will/sonic): 46
* death howl (fort/death): 57
* Curse Aura: drop of 2-3
- Dragon Forms:
* Wing Buffet (ref): 53
* Breath (ref/element type): 53
Add 1 to any DC if you are wearing an Ego item for the form (Although I have no Outsider ego item. :_( )
Add 6-8 for WIS ability boost items of +12 to +16
3) AC
- 25 AC, naked
- Forms tend to give 10-20 DEX AC boosts, and often concealment
- I am at ~105-125 equipped and/or in various forms
4) Final Abilities
- Base:
* STR: 14
* DEX: 20
* CON: 16
* INT: 22
* WIS: 62
* CHA: 14
- Boosts:
* +12-16 for equipment, depending on shackling
* Forms boost STR and DEX a lot.
5) 882 HP, naked
- 1,062 with +12 boost
- 1,102 with +16 boost
- +500 HP from WIS artifact
6) Skills:
- 127 OL, DT and Srch when boosted by gear, abilities and feat items
- Hide is at 100 naked but demix5 boosted, and jumps to 127 in most dex forms?
- Spot is 34, naked but demix5 boosted
- Animal Empathy is 75 naked but demix5 boosted
- Tumble is 50 naked (40 assigned to it for AC boost)
Reincarnating this weekend to give it a try!!!!!!!
Okay, I finally finished my demi run and will be reincarnating with my take on the "picky shifter".
Goal when shackled to lvl 40:
- Max Shifter ability DCs, modulus (minus) one class and polymorph level from rogue splash
- 127 Rogue skills (DT, OL and Srch)
- minimize squishiness as much as possible, so long as those two goals are met
Credit goes to tomaan for the name: highergroundpoa.proboards.com/thread/26215/picky-shifter-sh49-d9-r2?page=1&scrollTo=239506I
Notes:
This is a reincarnation build. When allocating skills and feats, I am taking advantage of:
- Ignoring playability, pre-lvl 80 (Although I originally reached 60 on a very similar build)
- My Sidhe sub-race
- I do not worry about XP penalty (which leaves me at level 78 after reincarnation, so you want the lvl 62 ability to be STR, DEX or INT)
- Being level 80 and double demi for the extra 6 ability points (giving +3 points in all skills)
- Owning lvl 40 capped skill focus items for DT, OL and Srch (Are there lvl 40 items with ESF OL, DT or Srch?)
- Owning a Construct, Outsider or Dragon epode
- Owning a Wondrous tome of Spell Penetration
- Having the WIS artifact
Race: Elf/Sidhe (For able learner)
Starting abilities: Value On Start Screen/Value After Subrace boost
- STR: 8/8: (0 points, cost 0) -- 0 from points + 0 from Sidhe
- DEX: 12/14: (add 2 points, cost 2) -- 2 from points + 2 from elf + 2 from Sidhe
- CON: 8/10: (add 2 points, cost 2) -- 2 from points - 2 from elf + 2 from Sidhe
- INT: 16/16: (add 8 points for a cost of 10) -- 8 from points + 0 from Sidhe
- WIS: 18/24 (add 10 points for a cost of 16; basically, since Druid forces 3 into WIS, add 7 more points) -- 10 from points + 6 from Sidhe
- CHA: 8/8 (o points, cost 0) -- 0 from points + 0 from Sidhe
Levels:
- Class: 10 Druid/69 Shifter/1 Rogue
- All ability bumps go to Wisdom
1 Druid
- Skills:
* 1 Open Lock if you do not have a Skill Focus:Open Lock item (cross class, so 2 points paid)
* 1 Disable Trap if you do not have a Skill Focus:Disable Trap item (cross class, so 2 points paid)
* Otherwise 0
- Feats:
* Built in feats of note:
+ Armor Proficiency (light, medium, shield)
+ Great Wisdom I and II
+ Hardiness vs. Enchantments
+ Immunity To Sleep
+ Keen Sense (Search mode at all time without changing speed)
+ Low-light Vision
+ Skill Affinities: +2 Listen, Search, Spot)
+ Weapon Proficiency (druid, Elf)
+ Zen Archery (Helps Modron and Kenku forms)
* Chosen feat:
+ Alertness
2 Druid
3 Druid - Chosen feat: Armor Proficiency (heavy)
4 Druid
5 Druid
6 Druid - Chosen feats: Blind-Fight (To save on Listen skill points, later)
7 Druid
8 Druid
9 Druid
- Feats:
* Built in feat of note: Venom Immunity
* Chosen feat:
+ "Skill Focus:Open Lock" if you do not have a lvl 40 SF:OL item
+ "Skill Focus:Disable Trap" if you have an SF:OL item, but no lvl 40 SF:DT item
+ Otherwise, "Great Fortitude"
10 Druid
11 Shifter - Built in feat of note: Greater Wildshape I (wyrmling shape)
12 Shifter
- "Skill Focus:Disable Trap" if you have no SF:OL item and no SF:DT item
- Otherwise, "Lightning reflexes"
13 Shifter - Built in feat of note: Greater Wildshape II
14 Shifter
15 Shifter
- Built in feat of note: Greater Wildshape III
- Chosen feat: Skill Focus (Discipline)
16 Shifter
17 Shifter - Built in feat of note: Humanoid Shape
18 Shifter - Chosen feat: Toughness
19 Shifter
20 Shifter - Built in feat of note: Greater Wildshape IV
21 Shifter - Chosen feat: Construct Shape
22 Shifter
23 Shifter - Chosen feat: Outsider Shape
24 Shifter - Class feat: Undead Shape
25 Shifter
26 Shifter - Class feat: Great Wisdom III
27 Shifter - Chosen feat: Great Wisdom IV
28 Shifter
29 Shifter - Class feat: Great Wisdom V
30 Shifter - Chosen feat: Great Wisdom VI
31 Shifter
32 Shifter - Class feat: Great Wisdom VII
33 Shifter - Chosen feat: Great Wisdom VIII
34 Shifter
35 Shifter - Class feat: Great Wisdom IX
36 Shifter - Chosen feat: Great Wisdom X
37 Shifter
38 Shifter - Class feat: Dragon Form
39 Shifter - Chosen feat: Up to you -- Armor Skin? Epic Fortitude or reflexes? Some other skill focus such as Hide? (epic, if you stick 20 points into the skill in earlier levels)
40 Rogue
- Skills:
* 42 Disable Trap if you do not have a "Skill Focus:Disable Trap" item (since you would have put a point in at lvl 1) otherwise 43
* 42 Open Lock if you do not have a "Skill Focus:Open Lock" item (since you would have put a point in at lvl 1) otherwise 43
* 1 Pick Pocket for fairy spill potion ability
* 43 Search (It is easy to get an embroidered item for "Skill Focus:Search")
* 5 Set Trap for extra +2 in "Disable Trap"
* 40 Tumble
- Built in feats of note:
* Sneak Attack (+1d6)
* Weapon Proficiency (rogue)
42 Chosen Feat: Legendary Form Focus (Wildshape 1)
45 Chosen Feat: Legendary Form Focus (Wildshape 2)
48 Chosen Feat: Legendary Form Focus (Wildshape 3)
51 Chosen Feat: Legendary Form Focus (Construct 1) (Or Dragon if you have Construct Epode)
54 Chosen Feat: Legendary Form Focus (Construct 2) (Or Dragon if you have Construct Epode)
57 Chosen Feat: Legendary Form Focus (Construct 3) (Or Dragon if you have Construct Epode)
60 You will need to use up all cached skill points
- Skills:
* 63 Animal Empathy
* 17 Disable Trap (cross class, so 34 points paid)
* 20 Open Lock (cross class, so 40 points paid)
* 17 Search (cross class, so 34 points paid)
* 46 Hide
+ minus 2 each if you do not have a "SF:OL" and/or "SF:DT" item
+ This should use up your last cached skill point
- Chosen Feat: Legendary Form Focus (Outsider 1) (Or Dragon if you have Outsider Epode)
63 Chosen Feat: Legendary Form Focus (Outsider 2) (Or Dragon if you have Outsider Epode)
66 Chosen Feat: Legendary Form Focus (Outsider 3) (Or Dragon if you have Outsider Epode)
69 Chosen Feat: Legendary Form Focus (Undead 1)
72 Chosen Feat: Paragon Form Focus Wild Shape
75 Chosen Feat: Paragon Form Focus Contruct
78 Chosen Feat: Paragon Form Focus Outsider
80
- Skills:
* 17 Hide (plus 2 each if you do not have a "SF:OL" and/or "SF:DT" item)
* 21 Discipline
+ minus 1 each if you do not have a "SF:OL" and/or "SF:DT" item (Since you would have spent points in them at lvl 1)
+ cross class, so 42 points paid, minus 2 each if you do not have a "SF:OL" and/or "SF:DT" item (due to points you would have spent points in them at lvl 1)
* 1 Concentration (This should use up your last skill point)
Level Notes:
Feel free to rearrange the legendary and paragon form foci, other than legendary Wildshape foci, as desired. Choose one form to have only one foci on lvl 69. Skip one form that you have an epode form, choose three forms for paragon focus (I highly recommend keeping wildshape paragon focus)
Wisdom artifact for +2 WIS and ability to jump up +500 HP
Spell penetration wondrous tome
Results:
1) With no buff or benefit, and in my non shifted form, saves are:
- Fort: 41 (37 if you needed SF:OL or SF:DT instead of great fortitude at lvl 9 because you have no item with that feat)
- Ref: 37 (33 if you needed SF:DT at lvl 12 because you had no item with that feat)
- Will: 54
(add up to 20 to each for skill bonus equipment. Add up to 6-8 for ability bonus equipment. Forms give large boosts to Fort and Ref)
2) Primary form DCs when naked are:
- Medusa Stone Gaze (fort): 55
- Pixie spill potion (vs spot): 75
- Harpy Curse: -2 to -3 to saves
- Basilisk death gaze (fort): 54
- Minotaur maze (Will): 57
- Wyvern snatch (Ref): 53
- Drider Web (Ref): 50
- Dire Tiger knockdown: 70 AB touch attack with no weapon buffs (ignores armor, shield and natural AC. AB increases for each +1 from weapon or magic)
- Gelatinous cube disarm (ref): 67 AB touch attack with no weapon buffs. 53 DC
- Beholder:
* Dispel Magic cone (will): 56
* Cold and negative ray 82 AB touch attack with no weapon buffs (ignores armor, shield and natural AC. AB increases for each +1 from weapon or magic)
- Mindflayer Stun cone (will/mind): 57
- Manticore Spikes: 46 AB touch attack with no weapon buffs (ignores armor, shield and natural AC. AB increases for each +1 from weapon or magic)
- Azer Chief:
* Fire Pulse (Ref/fire): 53
* Fire Stream: 55
- Rakshasa: Thunderclap (ref and fort/sonic): 55
- Death Slaad spittles: Both AB 82 touch
- Modron:
* Paralysis trap (will): 50
* Pulse trap (ref): 53
- Marut:
* chain (ref): 53
* electric pulse (ref/lightning): 53
- Iron Golem poison breath (fort/poison): 53
- Crystal prismatic Spray (ref/positive): 55
- Stone Golem Rocks (ref): 54
- Spectre Drain (fort/negative): 76 AB touch, 46 DC
- Baelnorn:
* finger of death (fort/positive): 46
* sunburst (ref/positive): 47
- Banshee:
* Sonic howl (will/sonic): 46
* death howl (fort/death): 57
* Curse Aura: drop of 2-3
- Dragon Forms:
* Wing Buffet (ref): 53
* Breath (ref/element type): 53
Add 1 to any DC if you are wearing an Ego item for the form (Although I have no Outsider ego item. :_( )
Add 6-8 for WIS ability boost items of +12 to +16
3) AC
- 25 AC, naked
- Forms tend to give 10-20 DEX AC boosts, and often concealment
- I am at ~105-125 equipped and/or in various forms
4) Final Abilities
- Base:
* STR: 14
* DEX: 20
* CON: 16
* INT: 22
* WIS: 62
* CHA: 14
- Boosts:
* +12-16 for equipment, depending on shackling
* Forms boost STR and DEX a lot.
5) 882 HP, naked
- 1,062 with +12 boost
- 1,102 with +16 boost
- +500 HP from WIS artifact
6) Skills:
- 127 OL, DT and Srch when boosted by gear, abilities and feat items
- Hide is at 100 naked but demix5 boosted, and jumps to 127 in most dex forms?
- Spot is 34, naked but demix5 boosted
- Animal Empathy is 75 naked but demix5 boosted
- Tumble is 50 naked (40 assigned to it for AC boost)
Reincarnating this weekend to give it a try!!!!!!!